H1bslave
09-20 01:05 PM
I agree its a great idea, still most of crowd don't understand what are we asking and relates us to un-documented workers.
Even within legal community most people who are pre-gc stage (H1/LE Etc) they don't have any interest; ppl came to me at work after rally to tell me that they are 4-5 years away from my situation so they didn't feel attending rally. Bigger the better, we need big crowd, NJ/NY/MD/DC/VA are worthless. We can try doing rally in Houston, TX area, we may find dedicated people there. But I feel it will be very tough to show heads rally in big numbers.
Even within legal community most people who are pre-gc stage (H1/LE Etc) they don't have any interest; ppl came to me at work after rally to tell me that they are 4-5 years away from my situation so they didn't feel attending rally. Bigger the better, we need big crowd, NJ/NY/MD/DC/VA are worthless. We can try doing rally in Houston, TX area, we may find dedicated people there. But I feel it will be very tough to show heads rally in big numbers.
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ajay
05-19 06:36 PM
Contributed $100 towards this.
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pa_arora
03-05 12:11 AM
If they are going to give out the information, then it should be ok to pay $5k.
Questions are:
a) How soon will the work be finished?
b) Can they please integrate this request into their processes that they generate the numbers periodically, such that visa bulletins reflect demand appropriately?
i think if we are paying for something we should have the ownership it too.
lets format a reply saying that 5K is too much for the job...if they can give us their Data Model diagram, we can give them the code in a week without any cost.
Questions are:
a) How soon will the work be finished?
b) Can they please integrate this request into their processes that they generate the numbers periodically, such that visa bulletins reflect demand appropriately?
i think if we are paying for something we should have the ownership it too.
lets format a reply saying that 5K is too much for the job...if they can give us their Data Model diagram, we can give them the code in a week without any cost.
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EndlessWait
04-17 10:20 AM
I have used Fragomen in two different situations...
1) Contracted by my employer. This was frustrating from my perspective. I felt a little like an object, mostly dealt with paralegals.
2) Contracted by me. This was much better, I could call the attorneys up anytime, and get an answer when I needed it. Had excellent relationship with paralegals.
These were two different departments.
I do think that I suffered from some less than optimal advice, filed EB3 when EB2 would have been better. That was in 2002 when EB3 EB2 EB1 for all was current. EB2 was a tougher sell to Dept Labor, but I think would have worked, attorney didn't want to risk, and wasn't sure if a downgrade would be offered if EB2 failed.
One thing was consistent.... expensive.
I all but begged them to send out an email to clients referencing DC rally.
I have raised the idea with core of adding a field(s) to profile giving attorneys name/address. If we have a lot of members with Fragomen, maybe we could write a group letter asking them to send out a mass email to other clients.
So please be civil in these public forums.
well any attorney can screw up..so can uscis..its all luck when it comes to immigration..sad but true!
1) Contracted by my employer. This was frustrating from my perspective. I felt a little like an object, mostly dealt with paralegals.
2) Contracted by me. This was much better, I could call the attorneys up anytime, and get an answer when I needed it. Had excellent relationship with paralegals.
These were two different departments.
I do think that I suffered from some less than optimal advice, filed EB3 when EB2 would have been better. That was in 2002 when EB3 EB2 EB1 for all was current. EB2 was a tougher sell to Dept Labor, but I think would have worked, attorney didn't want to risk, and wasn't sure if a downgrade would be offered if EB2 failed.
One thing was consistent.... expensive.
I all but begged them to send out an email to clients referencing DC rally.
I have raised the idea with core of adding a field(s) to profile giving attorneys name/address. If we have a lot of members with Fragomen, maybe we could write a group letter asking them to send out a mass email to other clients.
So please be civil in these public forums.
well any attorney can screw up..so can uscis..its all luck when it comes to immigration..sad but true!
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ameryki
10-07 11:59 PM
Hi,
Here is our situation. I am on H1 and have 485 pending for me and my wife. Both of us also have a valid EAD.
My wife was on H1 too, however since Oct'08 she relinquished her H1 status and took up another job using her EAD. Currently, we are planning to have her AP filed (her earlier AP expired in Dec'08).
Given all this, I have following questions.
a). Are there any risks associated with filing AP.
b). I presume her status has been valid so far... reason I ask is that we didn't do anything special in terms of communicating any official agency, when she jumped the boat from H1 to EAD. Were we supposed to?
c). Do you think I can get her on H4 while she continues to work using her EAD. I guess H4 option is more expensive? Any thoughts?
Appreciate any help/pointers on this.
Thanks
No risk associated with filing AP at all
You did not have to inform any official agency but she should have filed an I9 form (i think thats the form) when she used EAD for work
You cannot be on H4 and EAD either or
Here is our situation. I am on H1 and have 485 pending for me and my wife. Both of us also have a valid EAD.
My wife was on H1 too, however since Oct'08 she relinquished her H1 status and took up another job using her EAD. Currently, we are planning to have her AP filed (her earlier AP expired in Dec'08).
Given all this, I have following questions.
a). Are there any risks associated with filing AP.
b). I presume her status has been valid so far... reason I ask is that we didn't do anything special in terms of communicating any official agency, when she jumped the boat from H1 to EAD. Were we supposed to?
c). Do you think I can get her on H4 while she continues to work using her EAD. I guess H4 option is more expensive? Any thoughts?
Appreciate any help/pointers on this.
Thanks
No risk associated with filing AP at all
You did not have to inform any official agency but she should have filed an I9 form (i think thats the form) when she used EAD for work
You cannot be on H4 and EAD either or
needhelp!
02-13 04:44 PM
Things are going to start heating up if you try to overtake me.
Thank you abhijitp, waiting4gc and needhelp! These are some great pointers, and my chances sound better already. I am going to see what I can do :) Things have picked up a little on my numbers today, happy to say at 163 now!
Thank you abhijitp, waiting4gc and needhelp! These are some great pointers, and my chances sound better already. I am going to see what I can do :) Things have picked up a little on my numbers today, happy to say at 163 now!
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risker
07-21 02:12 AM
Thank you ksircar for your strong support. You are absolutely right and you have logically laid out the reason for the case well.
Now it is time for gathering more support and momentum for the case so that we could do something.
I am ready to contribute. So please others jump in and show your support.
Now it is time for gathering more support and momentum for the case so that we could do something.
I am ready to contribute. So please others jump in and show your support.
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jayram123
09-20 02:06 PM
The answer is we all will have to bell the cat...and it will take more than a few attempts to do that.
IMHO, we should focus on what we can do rather than focusing on what some people could have done or what some one did to dampen the last attempt.
People will always find time for what is important to them; all we can do is try to make it more convenient and keep giving then enough opportunities.
We should have some sales/marketing people on this forum; they could have told us about how long it takes to convert a prospect to a customer.
Have faith my friend...
How about taking this to the next step and hire paid fulltime staff who can
1) call people and request donations
2) organize meetings
3) stimulate the local chapters
4) promote IV
..... and the list can go on.....and do all the things necessary to convert all propects to customers.
How about having full time offices in DC? This office will run on donations.
Finally, how about instead of anonymous members make this a place where everyone has to provide their personal details etc.
Anyways, I am just ranting.
IMHO, we should focus on what we can do rather than focusing on what some people could have done or what some one did to dampen the last attempt.
People will always find time for what is important to them; all we can do is try to make it more convenient and keep giving then enough opportunities.
We should have some sales/marketing people on this forum; they could have told us about how long it takes to convert a prospect to a customer.
Have faith my friend...
How about taking this to the next step and hire paid fulltime staff who can
1) call people and request donations
2) organize meetings
3) stimulate the local chapters
4) promote IV
..... and the list can go on.....and do all the things necessary to convert all propects to customers.
How about having full time offices in DC? This office will run on donations.
Finally, how about instead of anonymous members make this a place where everyone has to provide their personal details etc.
Anyways, I am just ranting.
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amitjoey
05-21 03:20 PM
The total is now $3400.
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Jaime
09-20 12:01 PM
I had lawmaker apointment (in Rayburn building across the street from where the rally ended) after the rally. There were 10 Indians giggling at me. At first I thought they attended the rally. I was walking in their direction when their looks got weird and I realized they did not attend the rally!
How sad! Yet there are tens of thousands of us who are committed! We need to keep growing our unity!
How sad! Yet there are tens of thousands of us who are committed! We need to keep growing our unity!
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SKK2004
06-24 02:19 PM
Similar to other callers, the lady who answered the phone took my name and where I am calling from and said she will pass on the mesasge to the Congressman.
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sunny1000
06-09 05:37 PM
That is right. But same country quota is there in EB system also. So in point system also 80% of people will get same quality of people as current system. But advantage is process delay will be eliminated.
Right now, in the EB based system, the employer picks the applicant, not the Federal Government. Also, under the current system, even if the country is limited by quota, it is a soft quota. No matter how you see it, the current system attracts the best and brightest and rewards only only those who are physically in this country with the GC (EB based). how can that be compared to the merit based system which you claim would attract the 80%? Any tom/dick or harry can apply from any country and get thru.
What do you mean by "process delay being eliminated"? It would take years for USCIS to come up with an easy set of rules. Again, the per country quota would kick in. It would take eternity to get a GC under the merit system. I dont see any "merit" in that.
Right now, in the EB based system, the employer picks the applicant, not the Federal Government. Also, under the current system, even if the country is limited by quota, it is a soft quota. No matter how you see it, the current system attracts the best and brightest and rewards only only those who are physically in this country with the GC (EB based). how can that be compared to the merit based system which you claim would attract the 80%? Any tom/dick or harry can apply from any country and get thru.
What do you mean by "process delay being eliminated"? It would take years for USCIS to come up with an easy set of rules. Again, the per country quota would kick in. It would take eternity to get a GC under the merit system. I dont see any "merit" in that.
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malibuguy007
04-26 01:18 AM
I just emailed 8 friends asking for contributions and sent them the link to this thread. Let us try and get 2 extra people along with each one of us.
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illinois_alum
06-03 10:11 PM
got reply from IL Senator Dick Durbin....not a very encouragaing response to say the least...
June 3, 2010
Mr. XXXXXX
Dear Mr. XXXXXX:
Thank you for sharing with me your support for comprehensive immigration reform. I appreciate hearing from you and share your concerns.
While the United States cannot afford to absorb all those who want to settle here, we are a nation of immigrants. My mother came to the United States from Lithuania with her parents when she was two years old, and our family created a new life in Illinois. It is a testament to the greatness of this nation that the son of an immigrant can rise to represent the state of Illinois in the Senate.
At the same time, our nation faces a host of problems as a result of years of inattention to our immigration policies. The Homeland Security Department estimates that about 11 million people in the United States do not have legal status, including those who enter the country illegally and those who overstay a temporary visa. I have worked to reform our immigration system comprehensively and in a way that is tough, realistic, and consistent with our moral values.
I recently joined a number of Senators in releasing a blueprint outlining the basic principles that a comprehensive reform bill should include. The measure would improve border security by increasing manpower and deploying new technology. It would strengthen enforcement against employers who hire illegal immigrants. Today, undocumented workers are often exploited by employers who hire them. Strengthening the penalties for employers who hire undocumented workers will ensure that both immigrants and citizens who work here are protected by our wage and labor laws.
If we are serious about reform, we need a realistic approach to the millions of undocumented immigrants who already live and work in our country. We need to offer immigrants who work hard and demonstrate a long-term commitment to be law-abiding, contributing members of our society a chance to pay fines and earn their way to permanent legal status over the course of many years.
If we do not give people who are already a part of our communities the chance to earn their way to legal status, we will not solve the problem of illegal immigration. People who are living here illegally will stay in the shadows instead of coming forward to register.
While immigrants often enrich our communities, an employer's first job offer should go to any American who is willing and able to fill the job. I have been concerned about the potential impact of past proposals for temporary guest worker programs on the American workforce. In many industries, the assured availability of large pools of guest workers will give employers an incentive to pass over American job applicants in favor of foreigners willing to work for less pay and fewer benefits. During the immigration debate, I offered a Hire Americans First amendment to require employers to seek American workers for their open positions before they try to bring in guest workers. I have also introduced legislation to combat abuses in the H-1B visa program.
There is no perfect solution to the problems we face as a result of our broken immigration system. Today, our borders are not secure, our workplace enforcement laws need reform, and our immigration policy fosters a shadow economy for millions of immigrants who simply want to demonstrate that they can be hardworking contributors to the greatness of our country.
I will continue to work for a package of reforms that will protect American workers and that will be tough, enforceable, economically sensible, and morally defensible. I will keep your views in mind as the debate continues. Thank you again for contacting me. Please feel free to keep in touch.
Sincerely,
Richard J. Durbin
United States Senator
RJD/ab
June 3, 2010
Mr. XXXXXX
Dear Mr. XXXXXX:
Thank you for sharing with me your support for comprehensive immigration reform. I appreciate hearing from you and share your concerns.
While the United States cannot afford to absorb all those who want to settle here, we are a nation of immigrants. My mother came to the United States from Lithuania with her parents when she was two years old, and our family created a new life in Illinois. It is a testament to the greatness of this nation that the son of an immigrant can rise to represent the state of Illinois in the Senate.
At the same time, our nation faces a host of problems as a result of years of inattention to our immigration policies. The Homeland Security Department estimates that about 11 million people in the United States do not have legal status, including those who enter the country illegally and those who overstay a temporary visa. I have worked to reform our immigration system comprehensively and in a way that is tough, realistic, and consistent with our moral values.
I recently joined a number of Senators in releasing a blueprint outlining the basic principles that a comprehensive reform bill should include. The measure would improve border security by increasing manpower and deploying new technology. It would strengthen enforcement against employers who hire illegal immigrants. Today, undocumented workers are often exploited by employers who hire them. Strengthening the penalties for employers who hire undocumented workers will ensure that both immigrants and citizens who work here are protected by our wage and labor laws.
If we are serious about reform, we need a realistic approach to the millions of undocumented immigrants who already live and work in our country. We need to offer immigrants who work hard and demonstrate a long-term commitment to be law-abiding, contributing members of our society a chance to pay fines and earn their way to permanent legal status over the course of many years.
If we do not give people who are already a part of our communities the chance to earn their way to legal status, we will not solve the problem of illegal immigration. People who are living here illegally will stay in the shadows instead of coming forward to register.
While immigrants often enrich our communities, an employer's first job offer should go to any American who is willing and able to fill the job. I have been concerned about the potential impact of past proposals for temporary guest worker programs on the American workforce. In many industries, the assured availability of large pools of guest workers will give employers an incentive to pass over American job applicants in favor of foreigners willing to work for less pay and fewer benefits. During the immigration debate, I offered a Hire Americans First amendment to require employers to seek American workers for their open positions before they try to bring in guest workers. I have also introduced legislation to combat abuses in the H-1B visa program.
There is no perfect solution to the problems we face as a result of our broken immigration system. Today, our borders are not secure, our workplace enforcement laws need reform, and our immigration policy fosters a shadow economy for millions of immigrants who simply want to demonstrate that they can be hardworking contributors to the greatness of our country.
I will continue to work for a package of reforms that will protect American workers and that will be tough, enforceable, economically sensible, and morally defensible. I will keep your views in mind as the debate continues. Thank you again for contacting me. Please feel free to keep in touch.
Sincerely,
Richard J. Durbin
United States Senator
RJD/ab
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moonrah
08-21 08:50 PM
I recently applied under 0213. I agree process is not as complicated as it sounds also I am not sure what value add a lawyer will do apart from keying information from you in the forms. My suggestion - do it on your own. Use this forum Skilled Worker / Professional Immigration (http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/skilled-worker-professional-immigration-b4.0/)
and this step by step guide
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/guides/EG7.pdf
Can you please provide the reference through whom you applied? I thought 0213 category is not eligible anymore.
and this step by step guide
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/guides/EG7.pdf
Can you please provide the reference through whom you applied? I thought 0213 category is not eligible anymore.
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walking_dude
09-20 11:43 AM
Do you really think the numbers will be that bad? Look at the improvement in turnout in DC from San Jose? ...
San Jose was a local CA event planned almost spontaneously. DC was an event planned months in advance. People were offered Free ride, Free plane fare, Free food (in Gurdwaras). Yet how many participated?
Do you think Indian’s in CA have a different mindset compared to those in TX or NY/NJ?
I have been refraining from posting on this point, as I wouldn't like to belittle the contributions of the strong team from California and the numbers they brought to the rally.
But let's face it. CA has more EB immigrants than the next three. Look at the recent 2006 Performance report from DoL (available at Mathew Oh website). CA had 21,000+ labor petitions compared to NY - 7,000, NJ - 7,000(?) , TX - 5000. As you can see CA scores more than the next three states put together.
If 40 people participate from NY, it's as good as 120 from Cal. Percentagewise it would be the same. If 40 peope walk in Michigan ( 2000 Labor petitions) statistically it would surpass CA, percentagewise.
It's a known thing that only 5%-10% of the population participates actively in the most successful movements be it American Revolution or struggle for Indian Independence. We haven't reached that critical mass yet ( at the regional level)
If rallies are local and on a weekend then more people will turn out. Not only will there be better turnout, many of these same people will being more passionate about their support to IV and might start showing up in out of state rallies and protests.
There is an enthusiasm right now. But how long before the fatigue sets in? Rallies need to be minimal, held with certain strategic target and should serve some specific purpose.
Weekend rallies attracting bigger crowds is a myth. Be prepared to listen to reasons like - Shucks I have to mow the lawn, take kids to Bharatanatyam dance classes, I have relatives over for lunch etc.
With that logic if we hold rallies over the LONG weekends, we should attract bigger crowd, since people have 2-3 days to relax afterwards. And since people already plan to visit Orlando, LA etc to visit Disneyland, Universal etc., if we can hold rallies there we should attract the highest possible crowd. Do you think my idea will work?
Many of my colleagues did not even know until yesterday when I showed then the news articles that there was a rally like this in DC. Unless we have local chapters with an organized structure which meet regularly/ even if it’s a conference call, you cannot expect mass mobilization…this is Politics works!!
I think the DC rally has caught every ones attention, this is the right time to push the drive for local mobilization, it will be tragic if we lose the momentum now.
I agree with you 100%. Question is - who'll bell the cat? Who will take the lead and sacrifice their time, family life etc. to plan, organize and conduct these?
We need a fearless leader like Aman Kapoor, who can motivate and inspire people to participate, in every state. Where can we find them?
San Jose was a local CA event planned almost spontaneously. DC was an event planned months in advance. People were offered Free ride, Free plane fare, Free food (in Gurdwaras). Yet how many participated?
Do you think Indian’s in CA have a different mindset compared to those in TX or NY/NJ?
I have been refraining from posting on this point, as I wouldn't like to belittle the contributions of the strong team from California and the numbers they brought to the rally.
But let's face it. CA has more EB immigrants than the next three. Look at the recent 2006 Performance report from DoL (available at Mathew Oh website). CA had 21,000+ labor petitions compared to NY - 7,000, NJ - 7,000(?) , TX - 5000. As you can see CA scores more than the next three states put together.
If 40 people participate from NY, it's as good as 120 from Cal. Percentagewise it would be the same. If 40 peope walk in Michigan ( 2000 Labor petitions) statistically it would surpass CA, percentagewise.
It's a known thing that only 5%-10% of the population participates actively in the most successful movements be it American Revolution or struggle for Indian Independence. We haven't reached that critical mass yet ( at the regional level)
If rallies are local and on a weekend then more people will turn out. Not only will there be better turnout, many of these same people will being more passionate about their support to IV and might start showing up in out of state rallies and protests.
There is an enthusiasm right now. But how long before the fatigue sets in? Rallies need to be minimal, held with certain strategic target and should serve some specific purpose.
Weekend rallies attracting bigger crowds is a myth. Be prepared to listen to reasons like - Shucks I have to mow the lawn, take kids to Bharatanatyam dance classes, I have relatives over for lunch etc.
With that logic if we hold rallies over the LONG weekends, we should attract bigger crowd, since people have 2-3 days to relax afterwards. And since people already plan to visit Orlando, LA etc to visit Disneyland, Universal etc., if we can hold rallies there we should attract the highest possible crowd. Do you think my idea will work?
Many of my colleagues did not even know until yesterday when I showed then the news articles that there was a rally like this in DC. Unless we have local chapters with an organized structure which meet regularly/ even if it’s a conference call, you cannot expect mass mobilization…this is Politics works!!
I think the DC rally has caught every ones attention, this is the right time to push the drive for local mobilization, it will be tragic if we lose the momentum now.
I agree with you 100%. Question is - who'll bell the cat? Who will take the lead and sacrifice their time, family life etc. to plan, organize and conduct these?
We need a fearless leader like Aman Kapoor, who can motivate and inspire people to participate, in every state. Where can we find them?
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Michael chertoff
03-28 01:14 PM
Agree completely !!!
Otherwise, It should be allowed to have PD based on my First Port of entry date ?
Ahh.. atleast i have one person who is agreed on my point. Thanks
MC
Otherwise, It should be allowed to have PD based on my First Port of entry date ?
Ahh.. atleast i have one person who is agreed on my point. Thanks
MC
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irock
07-14 01:08 PM
I'm also EB2, BEC, PD Aug-2004. Still waiting from my GC.
Are we assuming that all the BEC (Backlog Elimination Center) EB2's have already gotten their GCs..?
Are we assuming that all the BEC (Backlog Elimination Center) EB2's have already gotten their GCs..?
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canadianinnyc
02-22 01:41 PM
Thanks. I do have my EAD. Just fearful that since I wont be at the 6 month period, I wont get to portability.
Does US immigration check up on this stuff? If so, how? I'm thinking that the Texas processing center (where my info is being processed) is too busy working on my papers (and other folks' papers) rather than inquiring about everyone's employment status.
Is this wishful thinking?
Does US immigration check up on this stuff? If so, how? I'm thinking that the Texas processing center (where my info is being processed) is too busy working on my papers (and other folks' papers) rather than inquiring about everyone's employment status.
Is this wishful thinking?
ianlock
09-18 09:38 AM
That is the only option i had open to me...
I am a plumber, no degree, but equivalent qualifications.. dont qualify for H1B, and once you have shown perminat intent you carnt go back to a temp visa..so catch 22 for me.. i had to go out there get a job, and then start the process. And yes my future employer has been very understanding about it. they have been waiting for me for 2 years so far...so am anxious to say the least to get out there.
Strange thing is, in the midst of all this, i have had my fee bill, paid that, and now my attorny has received my DS230, and sent that back yesterday?? so god knows what is happening. even though the dates arnt current.???
i give up trying to figure out what is going on over there. im hoping they will just finish up with it and send it to the embassy in london, so at least it will all be here even if it just sitting here waiting for a number to become available.
My be the november bulitin will show some kind of movment?
lets all hope so.
I am a plumber, no degree, but equivalent qualifications.. dont qualify for H1B, and once you have shown perminat intent you carnt go back to a temp visa..so catch 22 for me.. i had to go out there get a job, and then start the process. And yes my future employer has been very understanding about it. they have been waiting for me for 2 years so far...so am anxious to say the least to get out there.
Strange thing is, in the midst of all this, i have had my fee bill, paid that, and now my attorny has received my DS230, and sent that back yesterday?? so god knows what is happening. even though the dates arnt current.???
i give up trying to figure out what is going on over there. im hoping they will just finish up with it and send it to the embassy in london, so at least it will all be here even if it just sitting here waiting for a number to become available.
My be the november bulitin will show some kind of movment?
lets all hope so.
hpandey
07-22 02:43 PM
Well, I've got a few reasons.
1. I don't like the attitude that comes along with the people that speak it.
2. I just don't like the language.
3. I don't live anywhere close to a place where I must know Hindi to survive.
4. The Indian Constitution recognises English as a subsidiary official language.
5. If I have survived as long as I have without knowing Hindi, I'm sure I can survive without knowing Hindi for the rest of my life.
Thaai mannae vanakkam!
This thread was dead in October last year. This guy MartianSoldier restarted it ( and notice he has only 1 post ) for just one reason - start infighting among indians from different states.
Anyone falling into his trap and fighting on the thread ?
Martiansoldier really belongs not on Mars but in a mental asylum. Please don't post on this thread unless it has really got something to do with PIO card or the Indian consulate.
Remember United we stand and Divided we fall.
1. I don't like the attitude that comes along with the people that speak it.
2. I just don't like the language.
3. I don't live anywhere close to a place where I must know Hindi to survive.
4. The Indian Constitution recognises English as a subsidiary official language.
5. If I have survived as long as I have without knowing Hindi, I'm sure I can survive without knowing Hindi for the rest of my life.
Thaai mannae vanakkam!
This thread was dead in October last year. This guy MartianSoldier restarted it ( and notice he has only 1 post ) for just one reason - start infighting among indians from different states.
Anyone falling into his trap and fighting on the thread ?
Martiansoldier really belongs not on Mars but in a mental asylum. Please don't post on this thread unless it has really got something to do with PIO card or the Indian consulate.
Remember United we stand and Divided we fall.
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